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jhetley ([personal profile] jhetley) wrote2008-10-22 09:27 am

About that political post

Well, after a second cup of coffee, I've decided to post some of this anyway.  Making Light has a bit this morning about police departments preparing for Civil Unrest after the election, with a subtext that only massive fraud can prevent an Obama victory. 

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010706.html


Sorry, but I think that stinks.

See, if you question the integrity of the process, you cast doubt on an Obama victory as well as on a loss.  If the Republicans can rig an election, so can the Democrats.  I grew up in Cook County, Illinois, home of Mayor Daley (Elder or Younger).  Democratic Party fraud sort of defined the process, there.  Not sure whether it still does.  But the lesson lives on -- Democrats can be just as sleazy as Republicans.

Demonize thy enemy . . .

[identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com 2008-10-22 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
My personal opinion -- an Obama loss would be more likely the result of racism and fear than fraud. Occam's Razor sort of thing. That was another part of the post I threw out this morning: probably somewhere in excess of 10% of the voters in this country simply will not vote for a black man. Most of them will not tell a poll-taker that . . .

[identity profile] johnpalmer.livejournal.com 2008-10-23 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
It's really hard to say. Keep in mind, we're not talking about having to say that you won't vote for "a black man". It's just that you won't vote for one particular man (who happens to be black).

Fraud... fraud worries me because there are too many places where you don't have any paper trail if you engage in fraud. If it wasn't for that, I'd feel a lot more comfortable with the process.

Given the poll numbers, if the election was held tomorrow, and Obama lost solidly, I *would* suspect fraud of one sort or another. (Note that a suspicion does not mean I'd consider it proven. It just means I'd consider it a real possibility.)

[identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com 2008-10-23 12:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Poll numbers are slippery. I've seen some recent ones with the gap closing. Maine numbers show Obama's lead widening -- maybe in response to those GOP robocalls . . .